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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:47:00 -
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I've always said that ordered clothing equates to an ordered soul. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:40:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:
Maybe you dont understand the anger at having 1/3 of you people enslaved, no doubt you cant comprehend it being amarrian. but the constant knowledge that 1/3 of your race is toiling under unfavourable circumstances, and as i write this large percentages of the remaining heritage of my people are being brainwashed, or subjugated, its hard to put down our arms until this is rectified, for me, impossible.
Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Quote: The matari people displaced by the recent fighting are being helped as much as the republic can do so, myself being in the military arm of the organization, am better suited to protecting the space they are moving into, by force, each arm of the organization has its purpose mine is warfare, a duty im more than happy to carry out.
My vast wealth will be invested into ensuring more slaves are freed and brought back into the fold, if you believe the republic to be that poor that it cannot care for its own people without the help of a capsuleers finances, your sadly mistaken. (the fact my entire income is paid for by the republic should tell you that your assumption is false).
Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves?
Also, many slaves aren't even Minmatar. Who are you to drag them from a loving environment and force them into your culture? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:56:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:[quote=Rodj Blake] Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves? (snip)
You and your ilk keep repeating this line and I'd like to know what facts you have to support it. If conditions were so horrid in the Republic as you contend, why then aren't people leaving en masse? Where are the Scope reports detailing these lawless mobs running roughshod over local police and military units? Why are people leaving the Federation to rejoin their brothers and sisters in the Republic?
Where are the Scope reports detailing the lawlessness in Minmatar space?
How about here, here and here?
Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar stories on the Scope feed.
I could complain about Minmatar ignorance at this point - but you'd probably want news stories to support that, despite its self-evident nature.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:57:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves? (snip)
You and your ilk keep repeating this line and I'd like to know what facts you have to support it. If conditions were so horrid in the Republic as you contend, why then aren't people leaving en masse? Where are the Scope reports detailing these lawless mobs running roughshod over local police and military units? Why are people leaving the Federation to rejoin their brothers and sisters in the Republic?
Where are the Scope reports detailing the lawlessness in Minmatar space?
How about here, here and here?
Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar stories on the Scope feed.
I could complain about Minmatar ignorance at this point - but you'd probably want news stories to support that as well, despite its self-evident nature. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:11:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind.
Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1081
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:31:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind. Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state? You enslaved them and forced your culture on them you dome headed God-Lover. You killed a culture that could have thrived. You forced it on them and pushed them into slavery until they recited every damn verse of your scriptures with perfect candor. Good little drones for your nut job Empress.
Aaah yes, the old ad hominem approach.
Yes we forced them to do things. It was for their own good. Consider a child. Sometimes its parents have to force it to do things, or force it to not do things. For its own good.
Getting things back on topic, the Ni-Kunni are in general both neater and tidier now.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:39:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:
Funny what happens when an empire is ripped apart and it attempts to reform after a thousand years, you expect it to be smooth? i believe the deep seated damage you inflicted on my race is unknown even to you.
If you're having some minor surgery done and go a bit mental during the operation, resulting in you being seriously injured who is to blame - you or the surgeon?
Quote: You look down upon us for a few riots? this republic is formed around a mixture of people born from different backgrounds, some are recently freed from slavery, others have been free for longer.
If the riots are being caused by difficulties in integrating emancipated slaves into your society, then there's a obvious solution to the problem.
Quote:We havnt had thousands of years to stabilise the tribes, your holy "empire" saw to that. Perhaps you shouldn't be aiming to have all slaves released. Imagine the instability caused by every single Minmatar slave turning up on your doorstep!
Quote:There are also three tribes without elders, again we have you Amarr to thank for this, another glorious chapter in the long and rotten history of the Amarrian legacy.
The Empire was without an Emperor for a couple of years not so long ago. I don't recall seeing any riots as bad as we've witnessed in the Republic. If you Minmatars are bloodthirsty savages, perhaps it's an underlying feature of your psyche rather than anyone else's fault. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1083
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Posted - 2012.08.23 13:59:00 -
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Ahanu Jolon wrote: Everyone gets angry over the slave issue me being one of them but you honestly can't expect us a nation and as people to not reason out that the Amarr helped put us right where we are.
For better or worse everything that happens in the Republic is a direct result of our war. Trying to wash your hands of it comes across as not only hypocritical but honestly quite sad.
The Amarr did not help put you right where you are. The Federation helped put you right where you are. The Jovians helped put you right where you are. But we didn't. If we had our way, we would still be looking after all of you.
But if the Republic is in a bad way, then ultimately it's because the people running it are not suited to the task. It really is that simple. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1083
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:14:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Ahanu Jolon wrote: Everyone gets angry over the slave issue me being one of them but you honestly can't expect us a nation and as people to not reason out that the Amarr helped put us right where we are.
For better or worse everything that happens in the Republic is a direct result of our war. Trying to wash your hands of it comes across as not only hypocritical but honestly quite sad.
The Amarr did not help put you right where you are. The Federation helped put you right where you are. The Jovians helped put you right where you are. But we didn't. If we had our way, we would still be looking after all of you. But if the Republic is in a bad way, then ultimately it's because the people running it are not suited to the task. It really is that simple. So...you're saying that the years of slavery and war to "reclaim your property" had 0 baring on their current state?...Really? Rodj. That's ******* stupid.
Look at it this way...
If the Minmatar hadn't rebelled, they would be well on the way to full enlightenment by now.
Many of them would be enjoying a similar quality of life to the numerous satisifed Ni-Kunni living in the Empire.
But no. They weren't patient. Like a small child they wanted their pudding before they'd eaten their meat. They wanted their freedom before they were ready for it. And now they are paying the price. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1083
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:30:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:If the Minmatar hadn't rebelled, they would be well on the way to full enlightenment by now. They wouldn't have rebelled if you didn't enslave them and instead tried to ally with them and help them as equals, not animals. And don't say that you did it for their own good and they were treated well. If they were treated anything that could be considered well, the rebellion wouldn't have happened. Rodj Blake wrote:Many of them would be enjoying a similar quality of life to the numerous satisifed Ni-Kunni living in the Empire. Not everyone likes subjugation, let alone invading their home planet and bombarding it from gods damn ORBIT.
I'm glad to hear that you don't like the concept of orbital bombardment. I hear that it's more of a Federation tactic though, so perhaps you should complain to your own government?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1083
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:25:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:How about here, here and here? Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar items on the Scope feed. You point out 3 scattered and unrelated incidents (one of which was precipitated by Amarrian zealots placing someone deliberately in harms' way, by the way, and then feigning surprise when the inevitable happened) to prove your entire argument? I could point out 3 instances where sadistic holders have brutalized their slaves and extend that to your entire race as well. We both know that would be intellectually dishonest, however.
You asked for evidence, I provided it.
You have made claims, we're yet to see any evidence to back them up.
But anyway, you present yourself as an advocate of freedom. Surely you don't object to people practising their religion? Or does your belief in freedom only extend as far as people doing what you want them to do? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:11:00 -
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Anslo wrote: I'm sure advocacy doesn't include forcing your religion on other people, as I mentioned before and that you so conveniently didn't answer. Also evidence? Do you REMEMBER the Days of Darkness from their history? Look who's talking about lack fo evidence. Now you sound ******* stupid AND like a ******* hypocrite.
I had previously asked Anabella to provide evidence of Minmatars flocking to the Republic from the Federation. That is what I was referring to.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what primitves call the Day of Darkness? Maybe you you were so blinded with prejudicial rage that you just decided to lash out at me without actually realising what I was talking about? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1085
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:19:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:
Its General actually do a little background research, and im not from a race of people that have invaded or enslaved anyone in our history can you say the same?
The Minmatar have never invaded anyone?
So I imagined those wrecks above Mekhios, did I?
And did I imagine this as well? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1085
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Posted - 2012.08.24 10:01:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:
If you wish to peacefully evangelize across the cluster, fine.
We've all seen what happens to peaceful evangelists in Minmatar space.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.25 10:37:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Horak Thor wrote:
Its General actually do a little background research, and im not from a race of people that have invaded or enslaved anyone in our history can you say the same?
The Minmatar have never invaded anyone? So I imagined those wrecks above Mekhios, did I? And did I imagine this as well? if you call the defense of oneself invading you sir are a ******. please continue. it makes me feel good about myself.
Well I don't know what definition of invasion you're using, but as far as I'm concerned if you launch a sneak attack against someone with whom you've signed peace treaties and go on to occupy their territory, you are invading them.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1089
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Posted - 2012.08.25 21:39:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Horak Thor wrote:
Its General actually do a little background research, and im not from a race of people that have invaded or enslaved anyone in our history can you say the same?
The Minmatar have never invaded anyone? So I imagined those wrecks above Mekhios, did I? And did I imagine this as well? Theres a difference between invading and retrieving stolen property. You invaded us and took our people history and holy relics. Your worlds will burn until we get them back. And we will get them back
Firstly, if the Minmatar felt so unhappy about the status quo, maybe they shouldn't have signed treaties to say that they accepted it.
Secondly, the Minmatar had only settled three systems when we absorbed them into our Empire. Therefore, the Shakorites are currently occupying sovereign Amarrian territory according to history as well as those treaties.
Lastly, you're forgetting one very important thing: those slaves are our property. We have receipts. More to the point, the overwhelming majority of slaves were born as slaves within Imperial borders. They weren't taken from you or anyone else. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.26 08:39:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Lastly, you're forgetting one very important thing: those slaves are our property. We have receipts. More to the point, the overwhelming majority of slaves were born as slaves within Imperial borders. They weren't taken from you or anyone else.
This is a pretty ******** obvious is obvious comment. We're at war over the fact you believe they are your property, the entire Minmatar Amarr conflict is based around this. Glad you know the basics, didnt take you long to work it out.
In my dealings with Minmatar terrorists in general and you in particular, I have found that it is often neccessary for me to state the obvious. Often several times. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1091
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:07:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Horak Thor wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Lastly, you're forgetting one very important thing: those slaves are our property. We have receipts. More to the point, the overwhelming majority of slaves were born as slaves within Imperial borders. They weren't taken from you or anyone else.
This is a pretty ******** obvious is obvious comment. We're at war over the fact you believe they are your property, the entire Minmatar Amarr conflict is based around this. Glad you know the basics, didnt take you long to work it out. In my dealings with Minmatar terrorists in general and you in particular, I have found that it is often neccessary for me to state the obvious. Often several times. We have no prior dealings, dont try to justify your inability to communicate on a basic human level. Im finished talking to you.
I was referring to our previous dealings in this thread. I'm a fast learner. You clearly are not.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1091
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:08:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:
Well then once all the Matari are free, they will be able to make there own choice on the matter, to follow the Amarr faith or not.
Except that as has been pointed out time and time again, the Shakorites do not allow religious freedom. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.27 08:39:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote: So if a religion enslaves a race murdering billions destroying entire worlds, are we then expected to accept that religion with open arms on the very eve of our freedom?
No grow up and realize that every action the Amarr make or have made has an equal reaction, or in other words the current situation the Minmatar find our selves in is a direct, a bloody DIRECT consequence of everything we have endured at the hands of the Amarr.
If you claim to believe in free speech, but only when people say things you agree with, then you do not really believe in free speech.
If you claim to believe in freedom of thought, but only when people think what you consider to be the right things, then you do not really believe in freedom of thought.
If you claim to believe in religious freedom, but not if the religion in question is one of which you disapprove, then you do not really believe in religious freedom.
Now I don't claim to be a supporter of freedom. I've always thought that freedom in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing. But you Horak, you and your Shakorite buddies, you do claim to support all of the above freedoms. And yet your support only extends as far as people with whom you agree.
You're perfectly entitled to want to see a particular religion outlawed. But to do so while claiming to be a supporter of religious tolerance isn't so much irony as gross hypocrisy. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1094
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Posted - 2012.08.28 07:16:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote: I ask you this, as a supporter of freedom and free speech should i stand idly by and allow others to not have the gift of freedom? and if i wish others to have freedom, because i support freedom, i am not a supporter of freedom? that is what you are accusing me off.
You have failed to denounce the forced silencing of the likes of Abel Jarek, so you have already stood idly by and allowed others to not have the gift of freedom. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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